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	<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 22:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Webstock 2009 Lineup Announced by jesse</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/09/10/webstock-2009-lineup-announced/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god am I jealous. That sounds amazing.</description>
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		<title>Comment on NZ&#8217;s Business Talent Crisis by accede</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/09/03/nz-business-talent-crisis/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>accede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would totally agree with that comment. I spoke at an online advertising conference a couple of years ago, after Fairfax brought Trade Me. Sam Morgan was a key note speaker. He basically said the same thing when it comes to online publishers in NZ, that he found it hard to have an intelligent conversation with anyone else in NZ… well back then anyway, I think there are some pretty savvy publishers these days. (by the way I have been told Sam has low level involvement with Trade Me these days).

I used to work for Fairfax Digital, some 8 years ago, so come from an advertising background (was previously a sign writer before this). I now run a small Web Design &#38; Development / Advertising Agency in Queenstown. 

I contract to several developers / designers and find while they produce great work, they don’t always have perspective on real world business needs. 

Business Staff are hard to come by... I think a lot of it comes down to their background, and normally find that adaptable people, who have been "jack of all trades" are the best. Someone that has an understanding of the technology, but are not necessarily a specialist, can normally see the big picture rather than the code.

cheers
Glen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would totally agree with that comment. I spoke at an online advertising conference a couple of years ago, after Fairfax brought Trade Me. Sam Morgan was a key note speaker. He basically said the same thing when it comes to online publishers in NZ, that he found it hard to have an intelligent conversation with anyone else in NZ… well back then anyway, I think there are some pretty savvy publishers these days. (by the way I have been told Sam has low level involvement with Trade Me these days).</p>
<p>I used to work for Fairfax Digital, some 8 years ago, so come from an advertising background (was previously a sign writer before this). I now run a small Web Design &amp; Development / Advertising Agency in Queenstown. </p>
<p>I contract to several developers / designers and find while they produce great work, they don’t always have perspective on real world business needs. </p>
<p>Business Staff are hard to come by&#8230; I think a lot of it comes down to their background, and normally find that adaptable people, who have been &#8220;jack of all trades&#8221; are the best. Someone that has an understanding of the technology, but are not necessarily a specialist, can normally see the big picture rather than the code.</p>
<p>cheers<br />
Glen</p>
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		<title>Comment on Teaching Kids Computer Skills and Programming by kidslike.info</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/05/11/teaching-kids-computer-skills-and-programming/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>kidslike.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nathan,
I agree that Scratch is great.  I've always been impressed by the fact that it's used to teach programming at Harvard.

Here is a list of the best resources for teaching Scratch http://www.kidslike.info/scratch_computer_programming_tutorials

However, Scratch has severe limitations, most 
importantly not teaching functions.

This encyclopedia article on kids like . info compares Scratch, Alice, and Greenfoot.  To me, they make a logical progression.
http://www.kidslike.info/computer_programming_educational_programming_languages</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nathan,<br />
I agree that Scratch is great.  I&#8217;ve always been impressed by the fact that it&#8217;s used to teach programming at Harvard.</p>
<p>Here is a list of the best resources for teaching Scratch <a href="http://www.kidslike.info/scratch_computer_programming_tutorials" rel="nofollow">http://www.kidslike.info/scratch_computer_programming_tutorials</a></p>
<p>However, Scratch has severe limitations, most<br />
importantly not teaching functions.</p>
<p>This encyclopedia article on kids like . info compares Scratch, Alice, and Greenfoot.  To me, they make a logical progression.<br />
<a href="http://www.kidslike.info/computer_programming_educational_programming_languages" rel="nofollow">http://www.kidslike.info/computer_programming_educational_programming_languages</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on NZ Values by billroberts</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/06/09/nz-values/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>billroberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this sounds an excellent idea.  The more wikipedia-like approach strikes me as probably the better way, as it is likely to promote more active involvement and the process of having this discussion may turn out to be as useful as the actual result.

I don't live in NZ (though thanks to my sister in Wellington, I've had the pleasure of visiting a couple of times). I'm based in Scotland but see some parallels: now that Scotland's devolved parliament is 'bedding in' after a few years, the Scottish people are starting to have to think about how they really want the country to be run (instead of just complaining about how things are done in London).  And that of course involves deciding what our national priorities are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this sounds an excellent idea.  The more wikipedia-like approach strikes me as probably the better way, as it is likely to promote more active involvement and the process of having this discussion may turn out to be as useful as the actual result.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t live in NZ (though thanks to my sister in Wellington, I&#8217;ve had the pleasure of visiting a couple of times). I&#8217;m based in Scotland but see some parallels: now that Scotland&#8217;s devolved parliament is &#8216;bedding in&#8217; after a few years, the Scottish people are starting to have to think about how they really want the country to be run (instead of just complaining about how things are done in London).  And that of course involves deciding what our national priorities are.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NZ Values by bolowski</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/06/09/nz-values/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>bolowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the focus of this is too much on states and not on actions. I suspect that most people's idea of how they'd like things to be will be a reflection of what they've known in the past. What is more interesting to me is what actions would people like to undertake - we won't always get the outcomes we want, but it gives a better handle on our values.

Everybody wants pretty much the same state - where values matter is in how we think we can get there, ie 'intervention' vs 'self-reliance', rather than where we are trying to get there. Sort of associated is the question of what values represent - are they what we want or how we want to act? To my mind,  your statement "If we can't say what we want, we're unlikely to get it" speaks of a grasping sort of values that focuses on taking rather than giving. Those who are poor in spirit ask "what can I have", those who are rich ask "what can I give". Rather than ask what the next generation can give I think we should be asking what they should have to give to future generations. This approach has the benefit of being potentially recursive, whereas the other must be repeated with every generation.

That's my 2 cents worth for today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the focus of this is too much on states and not on actions. I suspect that most people&#8217;s idea of how they&#8217;d like things to be will be a reflection of what they&#8217;ve known in the past. What is more interesting to me is what actions would people like to undertake - we won&#8217;t always get the outcomes we want, but it gives a better handle on our values.</p>
<p>Everybody wants pretty much the same state - where values matter is in how we think we can get there, ie &#8216;intervention&#8217; vs &#8217;self-reliance&#8217;, rather than where we are trying to get there. Sort of associated is the question of what values represent - are they what we want or how we want to act? To my mind,  your statement &#8220;If we can&#8217;t say what we want, we&#8217;re unlikely to get it&#8221; speaks of a grasping sort of values that focuses on taking rather than giving. Those who are poor in spirit ask &#8220;what can I have&#8221;, those who are rich ask &#8220;what can I give&#8221;. Rather than ask what the next generation can give I think we should be asking what they should have to give to future generations. This approach has the benefit of being potentially recursive, whereas the other must be repeated with every generation.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my 2 cents worth for today.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Font Geeks in New Zealand by John A Arkansawyer</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/02/26/font-geeks-in-new-zealand/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>John A Arkansawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've just sent this to my wife the graphic designer, to whom I once gave a card showing "Fontzie" from Happy Days, saying, "A a a a a a a a a", with each A in a differnt font. Okay, it's funnier if you see it, but it leads up to the subject line in my email to her: fonts.nz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just sent this to my wife the graphic designer, to whom I once gave a card showing &#8220;Fontzie&#8221; from Happy Days, saying, &#8220;A a a a a a a a a&#8221;, with each A in a differnt font. Okay, it&#8217;s funnier if you see it, but it leads up to the subject line in my email to her: fonts.nz</p>
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		<title>Comment on Zuckerberg Interview: FFS! by John A Arkansawyer</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/03/12/zuckerberg-interview-ffs/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>John A Arkansawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

If Zuckerman is a notoriously difficult interview, what's wrong with the interviewer trying whatever technique is at hand to get him to open up for the paying customers? She'd've surely failed if she hadn't, true? So why penalize taking a risk in an already doomed situation? Sounds like she was in a Kobayashi Maru scenario.

(Unfair of me to comment two months later, I suppose, when Dave may not be back to look in on his comment, so, as an exercise for the reader, come up with your own refutations.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>If Zuckerman is a notoriously difficult interview, what&#8217;s wrong with the interviewer trying whatever technique is at hand to get him to open up for the paying customers? She&#8217;d've surely failed if she hadn&#8217;t, true? So why penalize taking a risk in an already doomed situation? Sounds like she was in a Kobayashi Maru scenario.</p>
<p>(Unfair of me to comment two months later, I suppose, when Dave may not be back to look in on his comment, so, as an exercise for the reader, come up with your own refutations.)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Zuckerberg Interview: FFS! by terrie</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/03/12/zuckerberg-interview-ffs/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>terrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't decide what I like best in this post..."the web industry is in the clutches of an intellectual stagnation that reeks of death" or learning the plural form of anus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t decide what I like best in this post&#8230;&#8221;the web industry is in the clutches of an intellectual stagnation that reeks of death&#8221; or learning the plural form of anus.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Zuckerberg Interview: FFS! by davemc500hats</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/03/12/zuckerberg-interview-ffs/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>davemc500hats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, just to clarify:

1) most of us did go in not expecting much, as has been the case with previous zuckerberg interviews, where the conversation is typically brief &#38; not particularly revealing.  

however, what we were NOT expecting was a) an interviewer who was overly focused on herself and/or her personal relationship with zuckerberg, and b) wasn't very focused on asking [relevant] questions &#38; instead spent more time expressing commentary.

2) valleywag didn't "break the story" at all. owen live-blogged the event, but there was limited editorial commentary about what happened.  in fact, owen is a friend of sarah lacy, and arguably downplayed the negative impact.  

check techmeme river for the actual chronology: nick o'neill was the first notable critical voice that came out strongly against lacey, about 20 minutes after the keynote ended.  next was daniel terdman at Geek Gestalt about a half-hour after that.  my post was out about 2 hours later, and finally Valleywag's slightly more critical piece (Twitterati lashes out...) another hour later.  and again, note that Valleywag fingered the audience more than sarah.

so to be clear: we didn't have our heads up our asses.  we were reporting what happened.  Valleywag tried to cover it up &#38; redirect the source of the uprising to a "geek lynch mob", which arrington later echoed.

so if you please nat -- don't downplay this event and blame it on some twitterati / digerati pulling a fast one on sarah, or on zuckerberg for being boring, or anything else.

this was all about sarah, and about her interaction with the audience. 

for fuck's sake.

- dave mcclure

  check Techmeme river for the chronology.  nick's story came out after valleywag's, but valleywag w


sure SXSW is a tech conference with people letting their hair down &#38; blood-alcohol levels up, but STILL there are plenty of panels that have serious technology discussion.  regardless, when 2,000 paying attendees are present at a keynote, it's not unreasonable to expect a little bit of relevance in the keynotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, just to clarify:</p>
<p>1) most of us did go in not expecting much, as has been the case with previous zuckerberg interviews, where the conversation is typically brief &amp; not particularly revealing.  </p>
<p>however, what we were NOT expecting was a) an interviewer who was overly focused on herself and/or her personal relationship with zuckerberg, and b) wasn&#8217;t very focused on asking [relevant] questions &amp; instead spent more time expressing commentary.</p>
<p>2) valleywag didn&#8217;t &#8220;break the story&#8221; at all. owen live-blogged the event, but there was limited editorial commentary about what happened.  in fact, owen is a friend of sarah lacy, and arguably downplayed the negative impact.  </p>
<p>check techmeme river for the actual chronology: nick o&#8217;neill was the first notable critical voice that came out strongly against lacey, about 20 minutes after the keynote ended.  next was daniel terdman at Geek Gestalt about a half-hour after that.  my post was out about 2 hours later, and finally Valleywag&#8217;s slightly more critical piece (Twitterati lashes out&#8230;) another hour later.  and again, note that Valleywag fingered the audience more than sarah.</p>
<p>so to be clear: we didn&#8217;t have our heads up our asses.  we were reporting what happened.  Valleywag tried to cover it up &amp; redirect the source of the uprising to a &#8220;geek lynch mob&#8221;, which arrington later echoed.</p>
<p>so if you please nat &#8212; don&#8217;t downplay this event and blame it on some twitterati / digerati pulling a fast one on sarah, or on zuckerberg for being boring, or anything else.</p>
<p>this was all about sarah, and about her interaction with the audience. </p>
<p>for fuck&#8217;s sake.</p>
<p>- dave mcclure</p>
<p>  check Techmeme river for the chronology.  nick&#8217;s story came out after valleywag&#8217;s, but valleywag w</p>
<p>sure SXSW is a tech conference with people letting their hair down &amp; blood-alcohol levels up, but STILL there are plenty of panels that have serious technology discussion.  regardless, when 2,000 paying attendees are present at a keynote, it&#8217;s not unreasonable to expect a little bit of relevance in the keynotes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Zuckerberg Interview: FFS! by rone</title>
		<link>http://nathan.torkington.com/blog/2008/03/12/zuckerberg-interview-ffs/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>rone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love you, man.  Hot steamy man-love.

Who can i pay to punch Mark Zuckerberg in his whiny piehole mouth, anyway?  And when did SxSW turn from indie rock mecca into Trendy Techno-Fuckhead City?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you, man.  Hot steamy man-love.</p>
<p>Who can i pay to punch Mark Zuckerberg in his whiny piehole mouth, anyway?  And when did SxSW turn from indie rock mecca into Trendy Techno-Fuckhead City?</p>
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